The real Christmas heretics — 8 Comments

  1. Let us not forget that by the time those bearded Gentlemen of an Arabic persuasion did a-come adoring (if they ever did), Jesus was no longer a baby in a manger but an infant of several months…at least.

  2. I find the notion quite disturbing. But can I ascribe anti Jewish or Muslim with the use of the prescribed food thereby cutting them off from the holiday. Albeit in a passive way, I’ve a feeling I can.
    On the Nativity. What I find interesting is that while shepherds would’ve been outside the town society they would’ve been seen as wealthy and protectors. They were seen round the Med something like the English see Hawkins and Drake, depending on which side of the blade, the Spanish might see things otherwise.
    The Magi have always been a bit of an oddity. If we assume they were there then the 100 or so years between the birth and the writing might have blurred the lines somewhat. At least as to what caused them to turn up. Ancient astronomers knew all the usual travelers in the sky’s, and they wouldn’t have been stumped with the return after long long periods. Me I’d say the Star was a star, but one that flared only to extinguish. Or the other option would be a comet strike, but none I’ve read occurred in the area. And given the subject matter I’d say we’d know by now.

  3. The shepherds have always been attractive characters – rough rustics with little regard for convention or polite society.

  4. “And, as Herod the Great died in 4 BC”

    Maybe. Maybe even ‘probably’ (I’m not up on the latest theories).

  5. There tends to be a bit of squeezing to fit facts. But what also tends to be missing is a reasonable balancing of probabilities.
    I’d say there was a local census in that region during the period when Herod was a client of Rome. You see Rome didn’t give a hoot where you came from, so there would be no reason to return to a town or clan region. But a weak ruler might want to hold a town hostage to the good behavior of it inhabitants no matter where they were in his jurisdiction.
    I suspect the facts were mashed.

  6. “I suspect the facts were mashed.”

    Ya think? But Joseph trekking back to the Land Of His Fathers to comply with His Imperial Majesty’s Revenue & Customs Service’s demands had the benefit of not only getting the Messiah born where he was supposed to be born but also showed he was obedient to Rome. And what heavily pregnant 13 year old girl could ever resist a rooOOad triiiip with an older man?

    I was present for the birth of my Eldest and I can recall being shocked at the words that came out of my beloved, sweet, butter-wouldn’t-melt Xian Wife. Words I didn’t think she knew and some I actually had to look up myself (I’d only been speaking fluent German for a year or so at that point so my knowledge of German swear words was not as encyclopedic as it might have been). I wonder if sweet innocent Mary…

  7. I have no problem with the Greggs advert. ‘Give us this day our daily bread’. Our daily bread these days is more likely to come in the form of a suasage roll, especially for the homeless who might very well be bought one from Greggs by a passer by.

    Jesus is food for the body and, I guess, so is a sausage roll. the Christian church use metaphors all the time (all language is metaphor). At least it has got people talking about Jesus, though sadly, once again, we Christians have come over as being rather humourless, hypersensitive and unable to laugh at ourselves.
    I think we need to get over ourselves and start to talk about what the story of the baby in the manger might really mean. Preferably over a picnic. And sausage rolls are the perfect food to go.

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